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My main complaint with joining the via / / is not that they're a big company, but that they'll disrupt the network as a whole.

The long-term endgame here will probably be no longer properly federating with other software like and , forming its own little "metaverse" and federating with other big tech sites, like .

Short term, there are other consequences, like instances getting strained under the weight of all the new users.

And yes, is probably doing "embrace, extend, extinguish" here. Interestingly enough, the tactics here aren't all too different than 's tactics when it refused to support the large wealth of features found on software like and , but the main difference is is , while 's new project is not. can adapt to changes, even if breaks something on purpose, because is and therefore we can see how it works. That's not a luxury we can enjoy with 's new software tbh.

I don't think the proper approach is the join the though. Remember what happened with ? Tons of people left that site and joined the instead, and not the site is off on its own floundering in irrelevancy somewhere. This moment here is yet another opportunity for us to try to convince more people to switch from using corporate software to using software for social media.

Both facebooks messenger and Google talk had periods where they were xmpp compatible, and if you look at a lot of xmpp clients, they're basically stuck in that exact era.

These big companies are dangerous. One difference is that this time we know they're dangerous. Many of us specifically left their services because we viscerally understand they're dangerous.

@sj_zero Maybe I'll have to look up exactly what did to because nobody can tell me. All I've heard so far is that they used to support it and now they don't

I believe it's a direct embrace, extend, extinguish. I think that in order to produce the Google talk product they start off using xmpp, and once it was fully operational and people started using it, they cut off xmpp compatibility including federation.

Incidentally, Google chat sucks compared to previous offerings.
casey is remote

@sj_zero Interesting.

I wonder if my osmosis theory was correct, that had no users before they embraced

Technically / / has only a handful of users, some celebrities, but within a week I'm sure they'll have millions of users

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