now's a good time to follow @FediPact for updates on the unfolding situation with meta btw
#FediPact #meta #threads #project92 #barcelona #mastodon #fediverse #activitypub
The most important point about #Threads (which nobody else seems to be making) is that a number of advocacy groups, news organisations, and other professional bodies have Instagram accounts, but no presence within the Fediverse.
If Threads brings BBC News, CNN, Sky News, and their reporters to engage with us here, this can only be a good thing.
Even Twitter had its multitude of influencers, trolls, and posers... They're easy to avoid.
Threads by Instagram on Google Play
@darnell yeah, Elon Musk really creating an opening for #Meta here. Irritate people enough that they are happy to jump into the arms of a rival network.
Delayed / limited #ActivityPub integration would be disappointing but not surprising... 
#threads #project92 #p92 #mastodon
The #Fediverse needs to learn some serious conflict resolution...
If we ever aspire to become a serious alternative to corporate platforms we can't continue with this behavior. Let me explain.
Two days ago someone created a "The_Donald" community of a well-known #Lemmy instance. Immediately there were cries for defederation, blocking, and suspicion about the admin letting racists run rampant on his instance.
Ultimately when the admin logged in they removed that community. But before they even had time to realize what was happening they were already being accused of stuff and if any instance heeded the call to block, it would have caused damage to the users who would have their subscriptions / follows severed.
Some users who've just arrived from Reddit and bring a fresh perspective are already wary of the shit show this can become.
That instance resisted massive blocks because it was large enough. But what if it was smaller? >>
@lnxw37b2 Ah, perhaps I miscommunicated; I'm referring to developing an app to be a client that can be used for other instances, not just #Project92 / #Threads / #Barcelona
@Hexorg Hmm IDK. I disagree on moderation, I don't think any #Fediverse admin would trust #Meta enough to use their software for moderation.
The only case I could see for something similar happening is if #Meta forked existing software, added features people wanted, and then closed the source; but admins won't take kindly to that either.
Now, maybe if people start moving away from #Meta's #Project92 / #Barcelona / #Threads, then those reports will start to pile up, but that's a net negative for #FaceBook in terms of userbase, not a net positive.
If I was #Meta, I wouldn't be making server software, I'd be making a custom client with embedded ads to monetize the content from other folks' content. Which could actually lead to an "embrace, extend, extinguish" situation, much more likely than what #Meta is doing right now.
> Lemmy is small so it gets more feature requests than it can code up.
Why? From who? Are a lot of #Meta users who are on #Project92 / #Barcelona / #Threads *really* going to be submitting feature requests for a software that they don't use?
> Meta comes in and looks at the most requested feature that’s been put on lemmy's backlog. Let’s say it’s some mod tool. Maybe even AI mod tool that sorts comments based on sentiment analysis.
What are the chances that this is something so significant that people would be willing to switch software over it?
> use lemmy and face flood of trolls in their communities
Where are these users coming from? This is already a problem on the #Fediverse, and we already know how to deal with it.
This scenario you're pitching seems wildly implausible.
@Jain Oh no...
I'm infamous for actually supporting #Meta joining the #Fediverse via #Project92 / #Barcelona / #Threads, but bribing instances will have some really bad effects, if true
@jherazob I care more about the effects than intent in this case.
#Meta's #Threads / #Barcelona / #Project92 doesn't have the ability to do anything actually negative to the #Fediverse except potentially overload small instances with a flood of traffic.
I don't get the fearmongering; lots of talk about "breaking the #Fediverse" coming from people who aren't really doing a good job of articulating how exactly a new #Fediverse software--because that's all this is at the end of the day--will break an entire network of software that already works with each other.
oh, here's some JUICY rumored details about meta's plans for the fediverse
tl;dr "Meta will only federate with select larger instances from the beginning. There will be contracts which also provide for financial compensation for the instance owners."
can't entirely verify their validity but it's still worth posting just in case
#FediPact #barcelona #project92 #p92 #meta #facebook #fediverse #fediblockmeta #FediAdmin #MastoAdmin #threads
Meta and Twitter meta
@emberquill @simplenomad @joshbressers since it's their own fediverse-enabled client with #ActivityPub, anything they add to their version wouldn't get transferred to non-#Project92 platforms.
Any such ad or spam accounts can be blocked. Also, the same holds true for many instances. I'm not saying it'll be fine, but I'm also thinking that there will be people who'll first use the fediverse through this and can be swayed away from Meta when they follow non-Meta accounts
New research from my team on the #TwitterMigration:
This is our 3rd quarterly update on which platforms are growing, new entries such as #BlueSky, #Substack Notes, #Nostr & all public data on Meta's #project92
Includes latest on the #RedditMigration,
New polling, new posting data & more.
Welcome any notes or feedback & boosts!
Get it here: https://is.gd/5PJQH7
A poll, because I've only seen one so far.
Please reshare this so it's as large a sample size as possible.
@ianbetteridge I wouldn’t entirely blame smaller instances for blocking #Meta’s #Project92 / #Barcelona / #Threads if they are worried about handling the load of all those new users tbh
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@aZa1905 @Natanox The lopsided nature of potential federation of #Meta's #Barcelona / #Project92 / #Threads platform is probably the most legitimate concern IMHO, especially since it will likely cause strain for smaller instances
@sj_zero Interesting.
I wonder if my osmosis theory was correct, that #GoogleTalk had no users before they embraced #XMPP
Technically #Project92 / #Barcelona / #Threads has only a handful of users, some celebrities, but within a week I'm sure they'll have millions of users
Not apologizing for making memes. The situation is just way too meme-worthy. #meme #meta #project92 #fediverse
Surely they're not *all* bad, right? #meme #fediverse #project92 #meta
My main complaint with #Meta joining the #Fediverse via #Project92 / #Barcelona / #Thread is not that they're a big company, but that they'll disrupt the network as a whole.
The long-term endgame here will probably be #Meta no longer properly federating with other software like #Mastodon and #Pleroma, forming its own little "metaverse" and federating with other big tech sites, like #Tumblr.
Short term, there are other consequences, like instances getting strained under the weight of all the new users.
And yes, #Meta is probably doing "embrace, extend, extinguish" here. Interestingly enough, the tactics here aren't all too different than #Mastodon's tactics when it refused to support the large wealth of features found on software like #Friendica and #GNUSocial, but the main difference is #Mastodon is #FOSS, while #Meta's new project is not. #Pleroma can adapt to #Mastodon changes, even if #Mastodon breaks something on purpose, because #Mastodon is #FOSS and therefore we can see how it works. That's not a luxury we can enjoy with #Meta's new software tbh.
I don't think the proper approach is the join the #Fedipact though. Remember what happened with #Gab? Tons of people left that site and joined the #Fediverse instead, and not the site is off on its own floundering in irrelevancy somewhere. This moment here is yet another opportunity for us to try to convince more people to switch from using corporate software to using #FOSS software for social media.
@xvilo Maybe they think that ALL the Twitter migrants are still here and that by building a bridge to the Fediverse it will enable an easy migration to #project92 or at the very least, poach users?
I note one of the USPs' they're extolling is the easy migration from Instagram to Project92, which is weird encouraging your users to move from one of your platforms to another of your platforms?