I assumed #xitter still did this but #DouglasMurray complained about not being able to stop the service from pushing crazy shit at him he didn't ask for, and #JoeRogan and #DaveSmith agreed.
That's not free speech. Only the #SocialWeb is capable of that, if we can learn to only moderate for harassment. #fediblockmeta
Should the HOA culture here be treated as harassment/abuse? And if so, like we do with jerk fedi, should we defederate from servers that don't police it? It is unwanted tagging. It is obviously deterring usage of the network.
AFAICT #Section230 defaults the internet to small, independent websites letting people post dumb shit. And that's great cause sometimes that stuff isn't actually dumb, it was just unlikely to be thought of or said, especially by the wealthy/powerful. It was low-key genius.
Without it, everybody would need to be a lot more careful. Kinda like what we see with overly cautious moderation here on this social network of small, independent websites. IMHO
The grand unified theory of jerk fedi. #fediblockmeta
https://www.threads.net/@theleftistlawyer/post/DGjAHrqxden
this is true of federating with #threads too. they cannot tag us here yet. more hate speech there doesn't mean we will see it unless we follow those users. feeling icky shouldn't be enough reason to disconnect. if this were the sentiment in the 90s, we'd have a much different web today.
when/if they do fully federate, this will definitely be an issue if they go beyond just allowing shitty opinions to not policing their users who harass others. #fediblockmeta
fediblock question @ TBS
It's like @mmasnick.bsky.social is slowly forgetting that actually decentralized social media exists. Moderation is different (and better) here. You can let them have their own servers and post anything and only moderate if they bother your users. I know that's different on services like #xitter #threads and #bluesky where letting anybody see it means you have to host it and possibly spread it with your algos. the open web has horrible pages most never see. #SocialWeb #fediblockmeta
Say things the left doesn't want to hear and they'll usually block you. Say things that the right doesn't want to hear and they'll post a slur or some shitty meme. Both are doubly true if you one up them in an argument. #fediblockmeta
The problem is that when people on the #SocialWeb talk about moderating for spamming misinformation and hashtag abuse, they should include accounts like @SocraticEthics. They don't. The conversation is politically biased. #fediblockmeta
can people be actually kicked off of #bluesky (not just added to mod lists etc)? who has been? where is the criteria listed, who decides and how is it done technically?
imo this shouldn't be possible on decentralized social media. horrible people posting evil shit should be able to start their own servers and it be up to everybody else whether to federate with them (and up to local legal entities re possible crimes and prosecution). like the rest of the internet. #SocialWeb #fediblockmeta
#GeorgeGalloway joined #bluesky but is getting attacked. I'd bet the same would happen here.
where there is no algo, let everybody be. you won't see them unless somebody you follow decides to boost them. maybe they say dumb, hateful shit. argue facts and perspectives. but don't attack them when they haven't tried to engage with you. then you become the asshole. #fediblockmeta
I really like the grouping of likes and boosts with the new Mastodon upgrade. It makes my notifications feed FAR less cluttered. Now if only we could get that full support for federated blocklists we can subscribe to officially built in rather than Ad-Hoc that would be amazing.
The blocklisting should be similar to PfBlockerNG on my Pfsense IMHO. https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/packages/pfblocker.html
#InfoSec #cybersecurity #mastodon #Fediblockmeta #serveradmin #selfhosting #spam
#threads is rolling out more fedi features today but people are screaming about moderation. I'd love to know what they are seeing that they hate so much. afaict there is no perfect solution but maybe we are the best, but that's less true the bigger any instance gets? I assume it's still much better there than on #xitter but maybe not. #fediblockmeta
#threads and #xitter are blocking links to the #VanceDossier. would any server on fedi do that? can we easily limit links here? or if accounts did link to it, would admins block those accounts or their server? if we had full federation with #meta, how would they treat a server here linking to it? I think that's clearly a horrible idea. everybody should have learned from the Biden laptop story. imo we should only moderate for harassment, not misinfo or bad opinions. #SocialWeb #fediblockmeta
The second receipt, and absolutely the harshest thing said by a tech.lgbt mod during this time is david saying he "[does] not care for" Ro, and that Ro "does not care for" tech.lgbt.
Again, this is tone of david's response to Ro accusing tech.lgbt of "poor moderation" and "hate speech".
Incredibly mild language, trying to make peace.
So I've gone through Ro's very long thread about tech.lgbt, and it does not contain any relevant evidence?
https://h-i.social/@are0h/113205968588300536
In September 2023, Ro added a new source to TheBad.Space, which had the effect of adding hundreds of new instances to TBS.
Each of these new instances was automatically tagged as "poor moderation" and "hate speech".
A lot of people criticized Ro for this, because he was in effect doing slander at scale against these 200-300 newly listed instances.
meta, Ro + Ra'il, misogyny, discourse about entitlement over womens bodies
Maybe it would be useful to have a hashtag that means "please stop tagging me immediately, I consider doing so anymore to be harassment. thanks". people could peruse that tag and related threads to see who the clearly bad actors are (those who tagged them again) but also have transparency into how these conflicts develop. not an alternative to anything we are doing now but a way to get insight into moderation focused on obvious harassment vs unpopular speech. #fediblockmeta
I like a lot of this. Harassment should be maybe the only reason for moderation. My main disagreement is that the fedi is a public space where you don't have to hear anybody, unless they tag you. If they don't tag anybody or use any hashtags, they should be able to say anything. If they do use a hashtag or tag you with something obviously antagonistic, that's harassment. If they tag you with anything after you asked them to stop, that's harassment. #fediblockmeta
https://writer.oliphant.social/oliphant/im-just-saying-debate-me-bro
This post about me by WelshPixie:
https://mastodon.art/@welshpixie/113125448625634331
Was posted 23 minutes after I started this thread:
https://mastodon.social/@fedilore/113125360586268500
If anybody has any questions for me about WP's false allegations, I would invite you to read these posts in context.
